Loud ramblings of a Software Artisan

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Tuesday 26 June 2007 18:01, by Bruce :: #

Re: XMP support in Nautilus and as a followup to my previous comment, just a head's up that the OASIS ODF TC is currently evaluating a proposal to greatly enhance metadata support using RDF. The upshot is that ODF 1.2 will almost certainly have full RDF support, a lot of which is likely to not be valid XMP.

It's one thing to use XMP for an image editing application (where XMP is more dominant given Adobe's market position), but quite another for a general purpose file browser. So I'd be careful not to tie what you do too tightly to XMP; would be nice to be able to extend it later to support enhanced ODF metadata.

Tuesday 26 June 2007 19:20, by hub :: #

@bruce: dude, it is only for images currently. It is what Nautilus does show for Exif from JPEG. I just added XMP.

Tuesday 26 June 2007 19:46, by Stoffe :: #

Would it be possible to hide most of all that stuff behind an expander by default...? It's pretty overwhelming, not to mention uninteresting, even for photographers, most of the time. Type, size and date should be well enough (ok, Location and keywords maybe, if they actually contain something). Feel free to remember expander state for thos who actually want to see all that stuff all the time (they only need to toggle once, the first time).

Tuesday 26 June 2007 19:58, by hub :: #

@Stoffe: I disagree about what it is usefull or not. Actually Nautilus show pretty much the minimum. As for the keyword and location, theyu are only seen if they are found. It is a "no clutter" approach.

Wednesday 27 June 2007 09:22, by Bruce :: #

Fair enough. Just wanted to note it for the record, in case anyone (you or someone else) wants to expand the metadata support later beyond images.

Wednesday 27 June 2007 14:52, by jason :: #

merci et fantastique. i can't wait for this to show up in my distro.

Wednesday 27 June 2007 19:05, by Stoffe :: #

@hub: It's obvious you disagree - but then you are obviously a very specialized user. It's not that its' bad that this data is available, it's that it's extremely busy and gets a lot in the way of what is usually interesting - the bare minimum. Pray tell me, who, besides a very select few (who could toggle that expander) would like to know focal length, meter length, IOS speed rating or aperture value? I don't even know what any of those *mean*. I'm frequently interested in size or date when browsing photos, though. And this interface makes it really hard to scan those in a simple way.

I might be climbing out on a limb here, but I do think I'm a lot more like the typical GNOME/Nautilus use than you are, in this particular case. You obviously have a very special interest in odd and cryptic properties that many images may have, but very few know what they mean.

To make a poor analogy, if it was a music file, a professional musician might want know what tune, BPM, meter, pace, composer, and other things the song has/is in, but the regular user is probably just interested in stuff like the length of the song, artist and title.

Thursday 28 June 2007 10:39, by hub :: #

@Stoffe: only the last 3 lines on this screenshot have been added by my patch. If you don't like the rest, be my guest, file a bug to Nautilus.

Sunday 1 July 2007 13:01, by Stoffe :: #

Sorry! My mistake then, I misunderstood the post, and thought you were adding all that cruft.

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